16V glave Bravo-Brave i sl na 128 i sl. blokove

Na zahtjev u temi https://zafc.forumsr.com/t5923p50-sakupljam-i-razmenjujem-slieice
da postavim najprije jedan primjer koji je naveden u priči ali link više ne radi.https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPPlcRjjC2uU89LF3oDLT87rNdIkRSsN5vqWw_itB-r1RLxhY4E_rMrw4FcVlyz6A/photo/AF1QipMGWuLZc9Sz260bsGARRNLnEXrHGxy2mmNwmhNq?key=R3puR1BLZ2trQk1Iam5PdTluRVdiMkxvdXlnZGp3

Fiat X1/9 1300 16V  sa youngtimer bodensee foruma (grubi prevod na engleski sačuvan svojevremeno)

Soon it will be here some information about the 16-valve type, which is currently under construction. To comply with the regulations, the original Fiat X1/9-Motorblock be used for 16-valve head, also made by Fiat, is fired by one. Now the experts think that Fiat is no cylinder head is available in the home, which fits on the X1/9-Block. True, and that is the challenge of such a cylinder head is being manufactured as one-off production.
Stand: 20.05.2009
The starting point: An ordinary Fiat Bravo 1.6 Ltr 16V - Engine. Unfortunately, it is not allowed according to rules, other engine block in the mountain car install
one, it must just the cylinder head of this engine at the original Fiat X1 / 9 - motor to be adjusted.
The design of the 16V - head for the X1 / 9: Today we see the first pics of the newly built 16v head. The base is a Fiat Bravo 16V - head on which the original engine block of the Fiat X1 / 9 is now installed.
Unfortunately not fit the mounting holes to the engine block, this detail had to be adjusted. In the first picture you can see very well that the cylinder head gasket of the X1 / 9 now Schaub holes aligned with the cylinder head. Fortunately, the offset of the engine block bore the Fiat Bravo and the Fiat X1 / 9 of the same, so that nothing needs to be changed.
Granted, the head is not quite finished, the openings for water wells need to be adjusted, but what happens in the next few weeks. The valves, which were built here, have a shaft diameter of 5mm, the valve plate silent I am still out.
It was not easy, so head rework this, that he fits on the Xer-block.
Another problem is the Olrücklauf to the camshaft of the exhaust dar.
This oil return goes to the new motor back outside into the oil pan because the oil return to the outlet at the Fiat Bravo straight down the engine block running in and this is the x1 / 9 so is not feasible.
Another problem is the belt drive because the engine block of the Fiat Bravo is higher than the engine block of the X1 / 9, the height difference also must be compensated. The aim was to camshaft drive of the Fiat
Bravo to thus absorb the largely succeeded in doing so. The compensation of the difference is about an adjustment of compensation and tensioner. The water pump according to misalignment must be placed so that it can be driven. Also the thermostat housing was already adapted to the new cylinder head.
The camshafts are also ready and waiting for their respective installation.
Stand: 20.05.2009
The processing of the head is finished, the seat rings are redressed and the valves reseated. Now just have to adapt the water channels and the valves may be reduced.
The valve stems must be cut. For use with mechanical valve cones come
here cups.
Stand: 16.10.2009
After some more fine work-valve engine had to be carried out on 16 new, engine is now in the phase in which final assembly can be him. Here are a few photos on which you can more accurately detect thestate.
Stand: 11.11.2009
Slowly, the project gets 9 16V-head in the X1 / really a face. Today we want you again to present an update. The engine is now his planned city built on and is now awaiting the final installation. The gear but was also reworked. The basic translation was again reduced to something even better to come away at the start.
Geschwindigkeitstechnisch this is the 16V offset by higher speeds by something. Also, a new differential lock fitted.
of course, must now again a new manifold to be adjusted. The base plate for this is already created, now just have the pipes are made and amended accordingly to be.







Ovdje uživo, vidi se da nema snage sa samo 1300 kubiki, al' nije sve u tome jel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFYWg2-IVgY

Kasnije ću postaviti više slike drugačije prepravljenih glava, kao na dnu strane
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Sad gledam opet slike pa i sam pitam jesu li ovo uljna li vodena crijeva, mislio sam za uljna jer su tri dodatna povratna uljna kanala odlivena u bloku 16v za razliku od 8v...?

Meni se cini da je to usisna strana,a na usisnoj strani ima kanali za vodu..usput mi se cini da te cevi vode u povratno crevo od hladnjaka,ili mi se mozda cini?
Fabricki je glava okrenuta drugacije,izduv je gde je pumpa za vodu,a ova je izgleda kontra,usis je gde je pumpa za vodu
Edit; sad kad sam se malo rasanio,vidim da cev ide u karter,tako da verovatno je to povratak od ulja

Rade se i obrnute glave ali ova nije


Slike drugih obrađenih glava (po imenima možda ih još nađete na internetu uz neki dodatni podatak);
Testate La Russa Trasformazione x19 16 V




TESTA 16V PER MOTORE FIAT X19 128 UNO RITMO


Testa_128_16V


picky of b6 head on a 128 block


simon o mod head


vile vieri gasket s compared 2 i 3

Iskreno kad pogledam ovo, sama glava meni tu ispada najmanji problem. Vracanje ulja nazad u motor ako ne moze drugacije da se resi nije nista spektakularno ako uzmemo u obzir da se to nije retko ni na nekim "fabrickim" motorima koji se modifikuju ozbiljnije. Trenutno sto mi ovako nabrzaka pada na pamet je RB Nisanov motor. Kontam da sve zajedno sa glavom bi moglo da se pripremi za 250e ukljucujuci obradu glave i neke manje modifikacije (blaze sirenje kanala, obrada siceva itd)...

Ono sto odbojno izgleda ovoj prici izgleda je sve ostalo. To sto mora da se rastura blok zbog klipova, izrada izduva (mada je laksa opcija kad uzmemo u obzir da se ne dele brezoni kao kod 8v), ali usis i napajanje je onako barem za nas u Srbiji tesko resiv sem ako neko nije u fazonu karburatora koji strce iz maske kod nasih Zastava sto je prilicno neprakticno ako bi neko radio za svakodnevnu voznju. Jedino kad bi se pakovao kompletan usis i ubrizgavanje za 1.6 ali ta usisna je tako masivna i neprakticna ako uzmemo u obzir da mora da se uklanja rezervni tocak i da neko kvalitetno resenje za filter i to mora da se radi od nule (ako opet nije stvar samo da je ubaceno lopatom). Tesko opravdati za svakodnevni auto ali za trkacki se namece kao zanimljivo resenje.

U svakom slucaju steta sto ulaganje u ovako nesto nema komercijalnog smisla pa da je dostupan neki kit, nego je ograniceno na samostalnu izradu pojedinaca za svoje potrebe. Kad bi postojalo resenje kombinacije sa EFIjem kod Yuga, bio bih medju prvima u redu za kupovinu

Pa mozda ce moci da se sredi 😁 sa efijem

Problem je sto onda mora usisina od nule, posto ne moze cak ni ona donja polovina da se koristi sto se srafi na glavu jer ako se nevaram, ne pasu dizne sa EFIja, tj nisu taj tip uopste i mislim da fizicki ne mogu da stanu.

Bloco Do Motor Fiat Linea 1.9 16v 55226715


Motor Parcial 1.9 16v Gasolina LINEA 50038687

tek sad vidim ovu temu, pričalo se po quartermilews forumu o ovome i priča se svela na uzimanje nekih custom 16v glava iz italije.

na žalost nema slika tih glava jer me jako zanima.
navodno da su pucale 100ks/1l u 80tima bez ikakvih problema i s puno boljom vozljivošću od 8v glave na toj konjici

100ks/l se radi iz 8v 16v je islo 125ks/l